The Curiosity Shop with Brené Brown and Adam Grant

The Curiosity Shop with Brené Brown and Adam Grant

Vox Media Podcast Network 89 episodes

Research professor Brené Brown and organizational psychologist Adam Grant are partnering on a new weekly podcast grounded in an unflinching commitment to learning and unlearning. At a time when public discourse rewards certainty over inquiry, The Curiosity Shop will see two of the world’s most influential thought leaders make the case for slowing down, asking better questions, and embracing informed complexity over easy answers. Bringing together their left and right brain sensibilities — she’s a qualitative researcher; he’s a quantitative researcher — they will explore some of the defining questions of our time, unpack the research reshaping how we live, lead, and love, and dive deep into the ideas, evidence, and cultural moments intriguing them the most. New episodes drop every Thursday starting March 19. Part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

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Mar 26, 2026 1h 10m

How This Podcast Could Fail

Brené and Adam have a bracingly honest conversation about what could go wrong in their collaboration, and how to set new teams, partnerships, and friendships...

Mar 20, 2026 1h 2m

Brené and Adam on What They Will Never Agree On

Welcome to The Curiosity Shop! In the inaugural episode, Brené and Adam discuss how a public disagreement about authenticity almost ended their relationship ...

Mar 15, 2026 0m not processed

Welcome to The Curiosity Shop

Research professor Brené Brown and organizational psychologist Adam Grant are partnering on a new weekly podcast grounded in an unflinching commitment to lea...

Nov 5, 2025 21m not processed

Brené on Strong Ground Ask Me Anything, Part 2 of 2

In the second part of an Ask Me Anything episode around Strong Ground, Brené shares an excerpt from the Strong Ground audiobook that walks listeners through ...

Oct 29, 2025 25m not processed

Brené on Strong Ground Ask Me Anything, Part 1 of 2

In part one of an Ask Me Anything episode around Strong Ground, Brené answers questions from listeners about mindset shifts, leading from where you are, and ...

Oct 22, 2025 35m not processed

Brené and Adam Grant on Rewarding Effort With Time

In the final episode of a special “Dare to Lead” series with Adam Grant, Brené and Adam discuss the problem with rewarding all effort as excellence. Instead,...

Oct 15, 2025 48m not processed

Brené and Adam Grant on the Skillsets of Empathy

In the fifth episode of a special “Dare to Lead” series with Adam Grant, Brené and Adam break down the skillsets of empathy, empathy misses, and how empathy ...

Oct 8, 2025 32m not processed

Brené and Adam Grant on Empathy vs. Enmeshment

In the fourth episode of a special “Dare to Lead” series with Adam Grant, Brené and Adam explore the attack on empathy, the difference between cognitive empa...

Oct 1, 2025 38m not processed

Brené and Adam Grant on Time Scarcity, Asking Questions, and Pocket Presence

In the third part of a special series with Adam Grant, Brené and Adam tackle the topics of time scarcity, how a great leader doesn’t have all the right answe...

Sep 24, 2025 36m not processed

Brené and Adam Grant on the Paradox Tug of War and Leadership Theater

In part two of a special series with Adam Grant on Brené’s new book, Strong Ground, Brené and Adam discuss the far and near enemies of generosity, the tug of...

Sep 23, 2025 58m not processed

Brené on Lock-In and Lock-Through Power

In this special Dare to Lead episode, Brené shares one of her favorite chapters from the Strong Ground audiobook called Lock-In and Lock-Through Power. Brené...

Sep 17, 2025 58m not processed

Brené and Adam Grant on Finding Our Strong Ground

In the first episode of a special series on Brené's new book, Strong Ground, Brené and Adam dig into the origins of Strong Ground, and what values clarity ca...

May 15, 2024 44m not processed

Brené and Barrett reflect on the "Living Beyond Human Scale" Podcast Series

In this episode Brené and Barrett discuss their learnings on AI and social media and some of their favorite nuggets from each of the guests in the series. Le...

May 8, 2024 1h 25m not processed

Dr. Joy Buolamwini on Unmasking AI: My Mission to Protect What Is Human in a World of Machines

In this episode, Brené and Dr. Joy discuss fighting bias in algorithms, Gender Shades - the accuracy of AI powered gender classification products, and her am...

May 1, 2024 50m not processed

Lisa Gevelber on Technology and AI for Good

In this episode, Brené and Lisa discuss how we can work to close the digital divide and ensure more people have access to technology, what it means in AI spe...

Apr 24, 2024 1h 14m not processed

Futurist Amy Webb on What's Coming (and What's Here)

Quantitative futurist Amy Webb talks to us about the three technologies that make up the "super cycle" that we're all living through right now: artificial in...

Dec 27, 2022 55m not processed

Brené with Paul Leonardi and Tsedal Neeley on The Digital Mindset, Part 2 of 2

In Part 2 of my conversation with Paul Leonardi and Tsedal Neeley, authors of The Digital Mindset: What It Really Takes to Thrive in the Age of Data, Algorit...

Dec 19, 2022 43m not processed

Brené with Paul Leonardi and Tsedal Neeley on The Digital Mindset, Part 1 of 2

This two-part podcast with Paul Leonardi and Tsedal Neeley is an absolute game changer. Given how often I find myself working with leaders who are knee-high ...

Dec 12, 2022 37m not processed

Brené with Mike Erwin on Leadership Is a Relationship, Part 2 of 2

We’re back with Part 2 of my conversation with Mike Erwin, the founder and CEO of the Character and Leadership Center and the co-author of Leadership Is a Re...

Dec 5, 2022 39m not processed

Brené with Mike Erwin on Leadership Is a Relationship, Part 1 of 2

This is the first of two episodes with Mike Erwin, the founder and CEO of the Character and Leadership Center and the co-author of Leadership Is a Relationsh...

Nov 28, 2022 1h 6m not processed

Brené with Lisa Lahey on Immunity to Change, Part 2 of 2

I won’t lie: This conversation was hard as hell. But — I’m so grateful to Lisa Lahey and all the work she and Robert Kegan have done on the “immunity to chan...

Nov 21, 2022 39m not processed

Brené with Lisa Lahey on Immunity to Change, Part 1 of 2

I don’t like to think of myself as someone who’s averse to change. But, man, am I averse to change. Enter the amazing Lisa Lahey. She is a Harvard Graduate S...

Nov 17, 2022 36m not processed

Brené and Barrett on Building Brave Spaces

Barrett and I invite you into some research thinking and dig into the latest data on how to build brave spaces with our teams — what gets in the way of peopl...

Nov 7, 2022 58m not processed

Brené with Janice Omadeke on The Mentor Method and Why Values Matter

Janice Omadeke is the creator of The Mentor Method, an enterprise software that transforms company culture through mentorship. We talk about her entrepreneur...

Oct 31, 2022 34m not processed

Brené with Aiko Bethea and Ruchika Tulshyan on the Heart of Leadership, Part 2 of 2

We are back with Part 2 with two of my friends, mentors, teachers, and co-creators, Aiko Bethea and Ruchika Tulshyan. Join us as we talk about the state of b...

Oct 24, 2022 49m not processed

Brené with Aiko Bethea and Ruchika Tulshyan on the Heart of Leadership, Part 1 of 2

We have two Dare to Lead favorites back with us today who are really important people to me in terms of my own personal and professional growth: Aiko Bethea ...

Oct 17, 2022 55m not processed

Brené with Beto O’Rourke on Brave Leadership

I think y’all know that I’m a fifth-generation Texan, and I have another Texan with me today: Beto O’Rourke. He is running for governor of Texas, and early v...

Oct 10, 2022 44m not processed

Brené with Adam Grant and Simon Sinek on What's Happening at Work, Part 2 of 2

We’re back for Part 2 of my two-episode conversation with Adam Grant and Simon Sinek. If you haven’t listened to Part 1, I suggest doing that first, because ...

Oct 3, 2022 43m not processed

Brené with Adam Grant and Simon Sinek on What's Happening at Work, Part 1 of 2

What’s happening in the workplace right now? In this first of two episodes with Adam Grant and Simon Sinek, we talk about what we are seeing in organizations...

Sep 26, 2022 38m not processed

Brené with Erika James and Lynn Perry Wooten on The Prepared Leader, Part 2 of 2

We’re back with the second part of a two-part series with Erika James, PhD, and Lynn Perry Wooten, PhD, about their new book, The Prepared Leader: Emerge fro...

Sep 22, 2022 47m not processed

Brené with Erika James and Lynn Perry Wooten on The Prepared Leader, Part 1 of 2

It’s the first of a two-part series with Erika James, PhD, and Lynn Perry Wooten, PhD, about their new book, The Prepared Leader: Emerge from Any Crisis More...

May 9, 2022 43m not processed

Brené and Barrett on Gathering Together for the First Time

Three weeks ago, our whole company gathered together in our offices for the first time since early March 2020. In this episode, Barrett and I reflect on how ...

May 2, 2022 1h 6m not processed

Brené with Kam Franklin on Joy, Conflict, and Leading Creative Teams

I’m talking with Kam Franklin, singer-songwriter, music producer, activist, writer, and lead singer of the Gulf Coast soul band The Suffers. You know their k...

Apr 25, 2022 1h 15m not processed

Brené with Ruchika Tulshyan on Inclusion on Purpose

If you come across Ruchika Tulshyan’s new book and find yourself dismissively thinking, “Another DEI book?” you do so at your own peril — and privilege. Incl...

Apr 18, 2022 1h 4m not processed

Brené with Dr. Linda Hill on Leading With Purpose in the Digital Age

I am talking to Dr. Linda Hill, a researcher, professor of business administration, and chair of the Leadership Initiative at Harvard Business School. She is...

Apr 11, 2022 58m not processed

Brené with Scott Sonenshein on Why We’ll Never Be the Same Again (and Why It’s Time to Talk About It)

I’m talking with Scott Sonenshein, a researcher, organizational psychologist, and New York Times bestselling author, about the pandemic, the racial reckoning...

Apr 4, 2022 37m not processed

Brené and Barrett on Why Every Leader Needs to Worry About Toxic Culture

Barrett and I have not been able to stop thinking — and talking — about an episode we did a few weeks ago with Donald Sull and Charlie Sull of CultureX: “How...

Mar 28, 2022 1h 10m not processed

Brené with James Rhee on Kindness, Math, and the Power of Goodwill

This is a conversation about how a simple act of generosity can put someone on a new, groundbreaking course. I’m talking with James Rhee — acclaimed impact l...

Mar 21, 2022 1h 16m not processed

Brené with Dr. Amishi Jha on Finding Focus and Owning Your Attention

I want you to pay attention and direct your flashlight right on this podcast — you’ll understand what that means after you listen to this episode. I’m talkin...

Mar 7, 2022 1h 11m not processed

Brené with Dr. Donald Sull and Charlie Sull on How Toxic Work Cultures Are Driving the Great Resignation

I’m talking with Dr. Donald Sull and Charlie Sull about an article I came across in the MIT Sloan Management Review titled “Toxic Culture Is Driving the Grea...

Feb 28, 2022 1h 13m not processed

Brené with Megan Reitz and John Higgins on Leading in an Age of Employee Activism

I’m talking to Megan Reitz, a professor of leadership and dialogue, and John Higgins, a researcher and author, about an article they published in the MIT Slo...

Feb 21, 2022 1h 13m not processed

Brené with Debbie Millman on Why Design Matters

I’m talking with Debbie Millman — designer, author, educator, curator, brand strategist, and host of the long-running, multi-award-winning podcast Design Mat...

Feb 14, 2022 1h 13m not processed

Brené with Dan Pink on The Power of Regret

Dan Pink is one of my favorite researchers and writers. In this episode, we dig into one of my least favorite feelings (but one of my best teachers): regret....

Jan 24, 2022 36m not processed

Brené and Barrett on the Great Awkward

We’re back! It’s 2022, and we’re all talking about “returning to the office” at some point. There are a lot of unknowns, and it’s going to be awkward. In thi...

Dec 13, 2021 40m not processed

Brené with America Ferrera on Identity and Integrated Leadership, Part 2 of 2

My conversation with America Ferrera was so good that I didn’t want it to end, so here we are with the second episode with the renowned actor, director, prod...

Dec 6, 2021 42m not processed

Brené with America Ferrera on Identity and Integrated Leadership, Part 1 of 2

I’m talking with America Ferrera — actor, director, producer, activist, and leader — in the first of a two-part series about leading with your whole self. I ...

Nov 29, 2021 57m not processed

Brené with Dr. Laurie Santos on Creating Meaningful Connection at Work

Dr. Laurie Santos is a professor of psychology and the head of Silliman Residential College at Yale University and the host of the popular podcast The Happin...

Nov 22, 2021 56m not processed

Brené with James Clear on Atomic Habits, Part 2 of 2

It’s Part 2 of our two-part episode with James Clear, author of Atomic Habits, which has sold more than 5 million copies worldwide and been translated into m...

Nov 15, 2021 52m not processed

Brené with James Clear on Atomic Habits, Part 1 of 2

Even before James Clear and I met, I knew this would be a two-part series. I just had so many questions for the author of Atomic Habits, which has sold more ...

Nov 8, 2021 1h 15m not processed

Brené with Dr. Maya Shankar on Courage in the Midst of Change

I am talking with Dr. Maya Shankar, a cognitive scientist who served as chair of the Social and Behavioral Science Team during the Obama administration and s...

Nov 1, 2021 50m not processed

Brené and Barrett on BRAVING Trust, Part 2 of 2

Barrett is back to talk more about trust and how we approach it at our company. We call it BRAVING trust — BRAVING is the acronym we use for the seven attrib...

Oct 25, 2021 41m not processed

Brené and Barrett on BRAVING Trust, Part 1 of 2

In this episode, Barrett Guillen, chief of staff at Brené Brown Education and Research Group, is joining me to talk about trust, what trust means, and how we...

Oct 18, 2021 1h 11m not processed

Brené with Liz Wiseman on Impact Players

Liz Wiseman is an author, a researcher, and an executive adviser, and we are talking about her new book, Impact Players: How to Take the Lead, Play Bigger, a...

Oct 11, 2021 1h 12m not processed

Brené with Jodi-Ann Burey and Ruchika Tulshyan on Imposter Syndrome

I’m talking with Jodi-Ann Burey and Ruchika Tulshyan about imposter syndrome and the articles they have written together on the topic, including “Stop Tellin...

Oct 4, 2021 56m not processed

Brené with Charles Feltman on Trust: Building, Maintaining, and Restoring It

Charles Feltman is the author of The Thin Book of Trust: An Essential Primer for Building Trust at Work, which is based on his nearly three decades of work w...

Sep 27, 2021 41m not processed

Brené with Barrett Guillen on The Hardest Feedback I’ve Ever Received, Part 2 of 2

This episode is the second of a two-part series on feedback, and Barrett is back to take it to the next level and dig into engaged feedback with me. As you k...

Sep 20, 2021 47m not processed

Brené with Barrett Guillen on The Hardest Feedback I’ve Ever Received, Part 1 of 2

This episode is the first of a two-part series on feedback, and I’m talking with my sister Barrett Guillen, chief of staff for Brené Brown Education and Rese...

Sep 13, 2021 1h 5m not processed

Brené with Amy Cuddy on Pandemic Flux Syndrome

I’m talking to Dr. Amy Cuddy, social psychologist, bestselling author, award-winning Harvard lecturer, and expert on the behavioral science of power, presenc...

Jul 12, 2021 1h 32m not processed

Brené with Charles Duhigg on Habits and Productivity

As I’m writing a book and thinking about habits that are getting in my way of being more productive, I call upon Charles Duhigg, who is a New York Times best...

May 24, 2021 1h 9m not processed

Brené with Priya Parker: A Meeting Makeover

This episode is the second of a two-part series with Priya Parker, master facilitator, strategic adviser, and the author of The Art of Gathering: How We Meet...

May 17, 2021 1h 5m not processed

Brené with Priya Parker on How We Return and Why It Matters, Part 1 of 2

Join me for Part 1 of a two-part series with Priya Parker on gathering together again. Priya is a master facilitator, a strategic adviser, and the author of ...

May 10, 2021 53m not processed

Brené with Patrice Gordon on Reverse Mentorship

I’m talking with Patrice Gordon about reverse mentorship, a practice that sets up a junior team member, often a member of an underrepresented group, to mento...

May 3, 2021 1h 14m not processed

Brené with Doug Conant on Finding & Telling Your Leadership Story

Doug Conant is the only former Fortune 500 CEO who is a New York Times bestselling author, a Top 50 Leadership Innovator, a Top 100 Leadership Speaker, and o...

Apr 26, 2021 1h 10m not processed

Brené with Michael Bungay Stanier on The Advice Trap and Staying Curious Just a Little Longer

Michael Bungay Stanier is the author of six books, including The Coaching Habit and The Advice Trap. We talk about taming our Advice Monsters — you know, tho...

Apr 19, 2021 1h 13m not processed

Brené with Dr. Angela Duckworth on Grit and the Importance of Trying New Things

I’m talking to Dr. Angela Duckworth, professor, founder and CEO of Character Lab, and author of Grit: The Power of Passion and Perseverance. We dig into what...

Apr 12, 2021 32m not processed

Brené on Armored versus Daring Leadership, Part 2 of 2

This is Part 2 of our two-part series on daring leadership, where I unpack four more common types of armor that we use to self-protect when we’re in fear. Th...

Apr 5, 2021 42m not processed

Brené on Armored versus Daring Leadership, Part 1 of 2

The greatest barrier to daring leadership is not fear; the greatest barrier is armor, or how we self-protect when we’re in fear. This is Part 1 of a two-part...

Mar 29, 2021 1h 18m not processed

Brené with Dr. Pippa Grange on Fearing Less

This episode feels like a conversation with an old friend who happens to be an expert on fear, anxiety, and perfectionism. Pippa is a highly sought-after spo...

Mar 22, 2021 1h 3m not processed

Brené with Emily and Amelia Nagoski on Burnout and How to Complete the Stress Cycle

Dare to Lead is Unlocking Us this week. Burnout. We’re all experiencing it and we’re all desperate for a way through it. In this episode, I talk to Drs. Emil...

Mar 15, 2021 59m not processed

Brené with Emmanuel Acho on Uncomfortable Conversations with a Black Man

This week, Dare to Lead is Unlocking Us! Emmanuel Acho is a creator, host, and producer of Uncomfortable Conversations with a Black Man, a web series about r...

Mar 8, 2021 54m not processed

Brené with Dr. Susan David on The Dangers of Toxic Positivity, Part 2 of 2

This is Part 2 of my conversation with Dr. Susan David, author of the bestselling book Emotional Agility: Get Unstuck, Embrace Change, and Thrive in Work and...

Mar 1, 2021 1h 7m not processed

Brené with Dr. Susan David on the Dangers of Toxic Positivity, Part 1 of 2

I’m talking to Dr. Susan David, author of the bestselling book Emotional Agility: Get Unstuck, Embrace Change, and Thrive in Work and Life. This is a full-on...

Feb 22, 2021 1h 17m not processed

Brené with Veronica and Miguel Garza on Food, Family, and Scaling a Business

You can’t spell podcast without tacos. I’m talking to Veronica and Miguel Garza, the co-founders of Siete Family Foods, a family-owned Mexican American food ...

Feb 15, 2021 1h 27m not processed

Brené with Adam Grant on the Power of Knowing What You Don’t Know

It’s a total geek-out, nerd-fest conversation with my friend Adam Grant about his new book, Think Again: The Power of Knowing What You Don’t Know. Adam weave...

Feb 8, 2021 1h 16m not processed

Brené with Aiko Bethea on Creating Transformative Cultures

This is Part 2 of my conversation with Aiko Bethea, friend, colleague, and diversity, equity, and inclusion expert. We take the foundations from our first co...

Feb 1, 2021 1h 17m not processed

Brené with Chad Sanders on What Black Leaders Learned from Trauma and Triumph

This is a heartfelt and honest conversation with writer, creator, and former tech entrepreneur Chad Sanders on Black Magic: What Black Leaders Learned from T...

Jan 25, 2021 1h 13m not processed

Brené with Dr. Sarah Lewis on Creativity, Surrender, and Aesthetic Force

Join me for Part 2 of a conversation with one of my favorite thinkers and writers, Dr. Sarah Lewis. We’re talking about her book, The Rise: Creativity, the G...

Jan 18, 2021 1h 22m not processed

Brené with Simon Sinek on Developing an Infinite Mindset

I’m talking with Simon Sinek, visionary thinker, speaker, and author of multiple bestselling books, about his latest book, The Infinite Game. We talk about f...

Jan 11, 2021 1h 23m not processed

Brené with Kevin Oakes on Cultural Renovation

Kevin Oakes is the head of the world’s leading HR research firm, the Institute for Corporate Productivity, and we are talking about his new book, Culture Ren...

Dec 14, 2020 2h 12m not processed

Brené with Jim Collins on Curiosity, Generosity, and the Hedgehog

This episode is a two-hour, deep-dive conversation with Jim Collins on his work and how it shaped who I am as a person, as a leader, and as a researcher. We ...

Dec 7, 2020 1h 2m not processed

Brené with President Barack Obama on Leadership, Family and Service

I talk with President Barack Obama about his life, his work, and his new book, A Promised Land. We dive into the power of leaning into uncertainty and why th...

Nov 30, 2020 56m not processed

Brené with Dr. Sarah Lewis on The Rise, the Creative Process and the Difference Between Mastery and Success

Join me for a conversation with Dr. Sarah Lewis in Part 1 of a two-part series on her book, The Rise: Creativity, the Gift of Failure, and the Search for Mas...

Nov 23, 2020 58m not processed

Brené with Eric Mosley on Making Work Human

Eric Mosley is the CEO and co-founder of Workhuman, and we talk about his new book, Making Work Human: How Human-Centered Companies Are Changing the Future o...

Nov 16, 2020 1h 1m not processed

Brené with Guy Raz on How I Built This

I talk with Guy Raz, the creator and host of the popular podcasts How I Built This, Wisdom From the Top, and The Rewind. Guy and I dig into the importance of...

Nov 9, 2020 49m not processed

Brené with Aiko Bethea on Inclusivity at Work: The Heart of Hard Conversations

Aiko Bethea is a friend, colleague, and diversity, equity, and inclusion expert. We discuss empathy, accountability, and the power of listening and believing...

Nov 2, 2020 1h 6m not processed

Brené with Jon Meacham on the Soul of America

I’m talking with Pulitzer Prize–winning historian Jon Meacham about what history can teach us about leading through crises and deep political divides. We dis...

Oct 26, 2020 1h 7m not processed

Brené with Abby Wambach on the New Rules of Leadership

Olympian, activist, and author Abby Wambach and I connect on the new rules of leadership. Her book, WOLFPACK, I kid you not, is on my top five must-read lead...

Oct 19, 2020 44m not processed

The Heart of Daring Leadership

In this first solo episode of the Dare to Lead podcast, I talk about my passion for this work, what we’re learning about courageous leadership and skill-buil...

Sep 22, 2020 3m not processed

Dare to Lead Podcast with Brené Brown Trailer

Brené’s newest podcast is based on her book, Dare to Lead, which debuted at #1 on the New York Times, and Wall Street Journal bestseller lists, and has becom...

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